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Please define your terms.
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JGC
....masturbation?
On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:35 AM
Waifumancing
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Its a form of abuse where you limit your tulpas growth to fit a character
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Shea gotten having an identity confused with that
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What makes you say that/when did that start happening/how long before you noticed this was Shea around?
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That is.... not generally what people mean
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1) That's not a real form of abuse. 2) You just said they were doing this themselves, that just means they are establishing their personality as they will.
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When people talk about waifumancers they mean someone who has made a tulpa in order to date them
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Like me.
1:37 AM
If they're being cringey just tell them though lol.
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Zen
1) That's not a real form of abuse. 2) You just said they were doing this themselves, that just means they are establishing their personality as they will.
On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:37 AM
1. Damn straight it is. Tf 2. Ok. 3. J, thats not what it is at all i dont think
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Most uses of waifumancy are probably for "sexy" tulpas, but a big thing people complain about with those tulpas is that they're "cardboard cutouts" so I understand how the term could mutate to mean "character-based-tulpa" too.
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CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:38 AM
Can you elaborate on why you consider this abusd?
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Yes it is
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:38 AM
Its limiting developmemt to be a character
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Like
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Emotional developme t
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Define "limiting"
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I feel like it's best to focus on the issue and how/if we can fix it here rather than if it's abuse or not?
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How are they limiting themselves?
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no one is going to think that's what you mean if you go around talking about waifumancy But yeah that's semantics
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CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:39 AM
Is it not the same as how one would want to fit in with a community?
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As opposed to; say; just acting out according to whatever they find compelling?
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Are you parroting them?
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:39 AM
Nope
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Shes sentient
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CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:39 AM
For example, wanting to fit an aesthetic
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:39 AM
Maybe im mistaken
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To me it just seems like
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Deciding they want to be like a character isn't them abusing themselves lol.
1:40 AM
But if they're being an idiot you should tell them.
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:40 AM
No
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CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:40 AM
There are a plethora of people who wish to adopt traits of those they respect.
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:40 AM
Yeah but
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Its different
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This is
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Ifk
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Im sorried abt her
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I cant explain it bur its just
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Idk
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Maybe im feeling her identity dysphoria
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you're deep in the rabbithole of terms here....
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Could you tell us what's been going on that makes you feel this way in some more detail so maybe we could get a better feel of what's going on?
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Reguile
Could you tell us what's been going on that makes you feel this way in some more detail so maybe we could get a better feel of what's going on?
CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:43 AM
It is difficult to understand with the lack of details.
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:43 AM
Yea
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Sorey
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What exactly is the issue in terms of what you're feeling? Are they changing themselves and you feel worried about that? Are they changing themselves into something that's actually weird and uncomfortable in some way?
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:46 AM
She has identity dysphoria (she feels disconnected to her own identity/feels like her identity is wrong) and is following the advice given to her from the server to just go eith it but
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I feel like in doing this shes
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Losing herself aswell
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Like sheslosing some of the good qualities she has instead of taking some from both
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Maybe thats how its supposdd to be
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Does Shea give any reasoning for doing this, abandoning the old identity and adopting the new one?
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... Identity Dysphoria? That's... quite a thing to unpack there.
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CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:49 AM
I am unsure how to word this, but is this a common occurrence in thoughtforms that are meant to form a certain way? Within certain parameters?
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Reguile
Does Shea give any reasoning for doing this, abandoning the old identity and adopting the new one?
On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:50 AM
Ahe didnt rlly have one but she sorta made one for herself. Like. She wasnt a bland Librarian empty bish
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Secretary from monsters inc-
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XD
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It's normal for a tulpa to meet the world and have their beliefs challenged. This is not a form of dysphoria though.
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"Personality forcing" used to be a lot more common In the early years of tulpamancy (before my time) most/many people specifically tried to make tulpas of existing characters (mostly anime or MLP) So you made a tulpa and did personality forcing to make them act like that character In practice this often did not work, they would not act like them, and the whole thing became less popular I would still honestly recommend a gentler sort of personality forcing, just like your parents and society did to you
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Like, raise them with standards
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Expect them to act certain ways
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Enforce morality etc
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:51 AM
I didnt do personality forcing she chose all this hersrlg
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JGC
"Personality forcing" used to be a lot more common In the early years of tulpamancy (before my time) most/many people specifically tried to make tulpas of existing characters (mostly anime or MLP) So you made a tulpa and did personality forcing to make them act like that character In practice this often did not work, they would not act like them, and the whole thing became less popular I would still honestly recommend a gentler sort of personality forcing, just like your parents and society did to you
CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:52 AM
This is why I inquire often,because my knowledge is seemingly outdated.
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That's what I said earlier, in practice the current tulpamancy looks a lot different from what the guides would have you believe
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In terms of what is in practice and what is common and what people actually do
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I actually oppose JGC on this point. I think heavy personality forcing is extremely useful as a grounding method for their personality and I did not experience much drift away from those personalities except organically.
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I'd say 9/10 tulpamancers never meditated more than a couple hours
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I feel like this is getting away from answering Deleted's question
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I was answering Cashew's question lol
1:53 AM
Well
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But yes, back to the point: There's nothing wrong with them changing themselves. But I would question why. A nebulous sense of dysphoria doesn't really strike me as a common response.
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@On a break 😆 /gen 1) sassy name, you should use the default pfp for extra effect 2) just sounds like your tulpa idealizes the character and otherwise doesn't know what their personality is like
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Are they just attached to a negative sense they should be more?
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:54 AM
I just dont want her to lose all the qualities she has now, completley abandoning everything.
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Tell her that
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:55 AM
If she wabts to adopt a new persona i say go for it
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I just dont eant her to lose ehat she has going for her
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On a break 😆 /gen
I just dont want her to lose all the qualities she has now, completley abandoning everything.
CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:55 AM
So in a sense,this is stemming from your desire for them to be a certain way?
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Is this a change that is happening now or has your tulpa has told you they want, but hasn't changed yet?
1:56 AM
You might find that if they do lean towards a new personality their old one keeps shining through no matter how they try to change. Happens all the time - people resolve to change, some even succeed, but you can always see a bit of that old person in them even if they don't like it.
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CashewCaptain
So in a sense,this is stemming from your desire for them to be a certain way?
On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:56 AM
No- no its just
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I would say you should tell them what you feel rather than us. I would also say you do have something of a right to dictate the kinds of traits you will and wont accept.
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:56 AM
Ok
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CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:57 AM
I agree
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:57 AM
She says she understands
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Lets say hypothetically my tulpa decided to turn himself into an anime girl who only uwus at me, for instance. I would give them the side eye until they stopped.
1:58 AM
It would be a truly ferocious side eye.
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𝄢 𝗜𝗯𝘂𝗸𝗶 𝗠𝗶𝗼𝗱𝗮 𝄞 [Ω] BOT 9/2/2021 1:58 AM
uwu /j
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Zen
Lets say hypothetically my tulpa decided to turn himself into an anime girl who only uwus at me, for instance. I would give them the side eye until they stopped.
CashewCaptain 9/2/2021 1:58 AM
That would be a drastic change, amusing to ponder.
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 1:59 AM
I love her sense of humour so much sometimes /p
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Give them feedback as they construct a new identity, your opinions matter.
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On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 2:00 AM
She did hammertime to my friends junko alter back when she was mukuro 🤣
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Avoid judginess, try to be open-minded, but also make sure you are not accepting weird negative shit just because.
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𝄢 𝗜𝗯𝘂𝗸𝗶 𝗠𝗶𝗼𝗱𝗮 𝄞 [Ω] BOT 9/2/2021 2:04 AM
Ibuki (the character) isnt weird so theres no need to worry. He was just worrief about me losing my core personality traits but ibukis naturally like me so theres not much to worry about
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JGC
@On a break 😆 /gen 1) sassy name, you should use the default pfp for extra effect 2) just sounds like your tulpa idealizes the character and otherwise doesn't know what their personality is like
On a break 😆 /gen 9/2/2021 2:06 AM
1. Ty <3 /p 2. I thibk we have dr2 on our ps so we can replay it. I loved that game anyway
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On a break 😆 /gen
She has identity dysphoria (she feels disconnected to her own identity/feels like her identity is wrong) and is following the advice given to her from the server to just go eith it but
It sounds like she just experiences a cognitive dissonance between some things that form her identity (edited)
9:52 AM
Or between her identity and your expectations
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night demon (scaly system) 9/2/2021 10:55 AM
Hi all
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